Siryn's Song

Sunday, October 17, 2004

Destiny

This morning I totally dropped the ball - I must have turned off my alarm, because I didn't wake up until 10:30 - after MiDCers should have met up. I felt horrible and immediately messaged the organizer with an apology. Damn, I set the clock for 8am - I must have hit a wrong button and reset the alarm. Next time... So I vegged a bit but then remembered that one of my small group gals was having a birthday today, and I went shopping for a gift. She loves Jessica Simpson, and last week she was talking about how she wanted more of the stuff from Jessica's Dessert cosmetics line. So I wandered down to Sephora in Tysons Corner to find something for her. I got her a lip gloss that tastes like caramel. Everything in Jessica's line is like a tasty confection. It was tempting to get something for myself! But I resisted...maybe one of these months. ;) I have a mental block generally against giving overexposed celebs my money, but if a product is good, I can move past it. And I think that her stuff is pretty good. She loved the gift and screamed when she saw the gloss. It's not the fact that it was something that Jessica Simpson made, but the fact that someone was listening to her. She often doesn't feel listened to, and it was a pleasant surprise to know that someone was listening and picked something tailored for her. One of the other gals bought passes for a screening of Alfie, with Jude Law - one of birthday gal's favorite actors. Again, someone paid attention and thought of her. That was a nice feeling, to know that I helped to make her day. The little party was nice. It was so funny, our group leader brought a game of pin the tail on the donkey as a gag. After church, one of the other gals and I took birthday girl out to dinner. It was a good day overall. Tonight, the pastor talked about destiny - the fact that God has a plan for us and our lives have a specific purpose. Most folks generally won't know their specific purpose until later in life. And even then, everything that happens along the way is designed to shape us to what God wants us to be. This means that suffering is going to happen, and God will use it to affect your character. And not just suffering, but the good things too. Every person, every thing you touch, you are meant to experience at that given point in time. And every one serves a purpose into developing your character and who you are. The question is, what are we taking away from them? Are we paying attention? What good did they serve? Some time before my grandfather passed away last year, he had chosen a verse from the Old Testament for his funeral. It comes from the book of Malachi, the last book of the Old Testament, which discusses the apocalypse. The verse goes as this:

But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderer's soap. He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the Lord will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness, and the offerings of Judah and Jerusalem will be acceptable to the Lord, as in days gone by, as in former years. Malachi 3:2-4
The significance of the refining metaphor is this: gold and silver are exposed to extremely hot fires so that they can be shaped and molded to the refiner's desire. When the metal is purified, the refiner can see his reflection in the metal - thus, when we are purified through the trials and tribulations of life, God can see himself in us - we are acceptable and pleasing unto God. But the metal can be destroyed, and refiners will typically do so if not pleased with the creation. And thus we will be destroyed if we are not shaped correctly. It's sort of doom-and-gloom unless you look at it this way: when we die, God's work with us is finished. We are removed from the fire. Now, whether it is because we have been purified or whether it's because we are not shaped correctly is God's prerogative. We are continual works in progress. The sucky things that happen are meant to happen for a reason. We should not ask "why me?" - why not you? We should not curse God, because it is not meant to hurt you for some sick pleasure. Shit happens - people die, people suffer incredible losses, people get hurt, and people will hurt you (sometimes without knowing it). We must do our best to deal with it and take away the understanding that God wants to impart to us. The trick is in paying attention and being perceptive enough. I know I tend to have some blinders on in my life - I know that I am not the most perceptive person in the world. But I hope that I can gain more understanding and eventually be more of the person that God wants me to be. That's a slow process, but I'm happy to take it. I might complain too much, but it's not all for naught. Someday whatever it is may sink into my thick skull, and I'll finally get it. It is part of my destiny.

8 Comments:

  • What if you went to a doctor with a broken leg and the doctor refused to fix it because he said the pain was for your own good? That doctor would lose his job because he was being cruel and stupid. If god has the power to eliminate suffering and doesn't because it is supposed to be for our own good, why does this not make him cruel? If some people experience fewer bad things in life does that mean they were born closer to what god wants and so they don't have to suffer as much? If that is the case it must mean that people born into money are born very close to perfection. Even if there were such a being as god, why would you worship it?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/18/2004 01:29:00 AM  

  • So ... you are equating having money with perfection and godliness? St. Francis wouldn't approve at all.

    And I'm not quite sure on the comparison of someone's faith to science & medicine ....

    Besides, I've always thought (even though I'm not religious) that god helps those who help themselves. Ergo ... go to a better doctor.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/18/2004 11:09:00 AM  

  • I was using the examples of the doctor and people born into money to point out how ridiculous the refinery metaphor is. I, personally, was not equating money with godliness, but merely pointing out the logical conclusions that one can make based on the idea presented in the original post. Also, I was not comparing her faith to the doctor, I was comparing god to the doctor. I'm sorry you completely misunderstood me. Perhaps I ought to have been more clear.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/18/2004 01:35:00 PM  

  • I appreciate your comments and respect your points of view. Here is mine. I hope you understand it if you choose to agree to disagree.

    I guess the answer to the question as to why one would believe in a god depends on one's understanding of the nature of that god and what it means for a person to be godly.

    Before I begin - don't confuse the perversions of men with the nature of God. Men have twisted and used God to suit their own ends. It's important to know the difference between what God said and what someone's dogma says.

    I haven't studied religion and am no theologian by any stretch of the imagination. There are lots of glimpses into the nature of the Christian God. The various parables in the 4 gospels are great insight into God's nature.

    I don't think anyone has equated avarice with godliness, and rich people are not exempt from suffering. All the money in the world won't save a rich child with a terminal illness, or buy real friends if you don't have any. Rich people often have to struggle to stay rich, working crazy hours and sacrificing their family relationships to maintain a certain standard of living. Now how "rich" are they, really, if they live like that?

    But rich people are not per se bad people just because they are rich. There are going to be rich people who will believe, and act in a godly manner, especially through philanthropy. There will also be rich people who may not believe, and still do good things. Example: Princess Diana. I don't know where her heart was with God before she died, but she was a wonderful advocate for human beings of all walks of life. But her life was also fraught with personal suffering. So much for becoming royalty and becoming rich.

    What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul? Matthew 16:26.

    Don't think that God doesn't love the poor, the downtrodden. He does, and he will reject those who do nothing to take care of them - see Matthew 25 31-46.

    But to clarify something:

    God is not here to serve us. God is not a vending machine where you insert a prayer into the slot and get your wish out of the bottom. God made us because he wanted company. He gave us free will to choose our destinies, although he knew what we would do. We chose to do things detestable to God, and brought suffering death upon ourselves. By sinning, we separated ourselves from God.

    But God gave us a means to conquer death when he sacrificed his own son. By believing in the son, God gave us a mechanism that removes our sin and makes us acceptable to God.

    All the little details of this life are meaningless. Rich or poor, young or old - it does not matter who you are, what ultimately matters is realigning ourselves with God, realigning with perfection. And it's not done by working your way there. And it certainly can't be bought.

    A time is coming when there will be no more suffering, no more pain, no more tears. And those who have chosen to be with God will live with him in eternal happiness.

    God is hope. God is faithful. God is loving. God is kind. God is a source of strength and motivation. But God is also just - and we will have to endure the consequences of our choices. Why not believe in a god like that?

    Thanks for listening.

    By Blogger Siryn, at 10/18/2004 10:08:00 PM  

  • "He gave us free will to choose our destinies, although he knew what we would do."
    Where is the choice here? If god gives me a choice between A and B, but knows that I am going to pick A, the outcome must be preordained, otherwise god would not know what I was going to pick. We can't have both a destiny and a free will. That doesn't make any sense. God can't know everything about us except what we're going to pick. If I know somebody well enough I can make accurate predictions about what things they will choose to do.

    What you're doing is called "Theodicy", just so you know. Many theologians don't like the idea of letting god off the hook for allowing suffering in the world. After all, he promised to love and protect his people (the Jews) after freeing them from Egypt. I would say he screwed that up in a very big way. If he can break that promise, why would he keep any others? And if he isn't holding up his end of the bargain, why should we hold up our end (our end being to worship him)?

    Money can't buy everything, but it does buy quite a bit. A rich man might have a child dying of an incurable illness, but what about the poor man who must watch his child die of a curable illness because he can't afford health insurance?

    Just because I sometimes make my husband angry doesn't mean that he is going to break his promises and stop loving me and it certainly doesn't mean he wants me to spend all eternity in hell. So why would god cast me into a lake of eternal fire if I do something wrong? That's stupid. The evil in the world is not consistent with a benevolent and omnipotent god. Therefore I must conclude one of three things. 1) That god is uncaring, 2) That god is weak, or 3) That there is no god.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2004 02:07:00 AM  

  • You have choices. God is not forcing you to do anything. Just because we choose something that is most consistent with our values doesn't erase the fact that there are choices. Choosing what is in line with your values is human nature. You would have to be dead to not have a choice, because we pretty much always choose things closer to our wants/value sets.

    God has never stopped loving the Jews, but his promise to give them the land was conditional on their faithfulness. But it seemed like every 40 years, they forgot about that and started doing detestable things. Go ahead and look at the promises - they usually contain an IF clause that makes the promise conditional. If we are not faithful to our end of the bargain, we should not expect to receive God's benefits. But again, God provided an out for us to give us something we don't deserve by sacrificing his own son. So who says that God doesn't love us?

    If you make your husband angry, that's one thing - but are you doing truly detestable things? If you sleep with another man, do you expect him to tolerate that? I didn't think so. He may love you, but he will not take it. And if he didn't love you, it wouldn't hurt so much.

    There is a plan to ultimately separate the evil from the good. God permits evil to happen for his own reasons. It's not as if he didn't warn us time and again that it would happen, even in the Old Testament. The nature of humans is to rebel. But there is always a remnant that is faithful - and God will eventually separate the faithful. It is not "popular" to be godly. The truth is that people want to do what they want and live without consequences. The wages of sin are death.

    God never promised that life would be fair or without suffering - even those that he favors suffer. So "not letting God off the hook for allowing suffering" is pretty presumptuous, IMO, and is of the "God as a vending machine" mindset. Which, to my understanding, God is not.

    By Blogger Siryn, at 10/19/2004 11:38:00 AM  

  • 1) Please explain to me how free will is consistent with your views on god. I'm interested to know how we can have free will AND a destiny. How can we have choice if only one outcome is available?

    2) Do you believe in Predestination?

    3) If god made us and it is our nature to "rebel", then how can what we do be called rebellion? Aren't we just doing what he created us to do? If he made us who we are isn't it stupid to force us to make promises he knows we won't be able to keep? Why would god create a population in which the people he likes are the deviation and not the norm? Pretty capricious, if you ask me.

    4) God does only good things, so when he does bad things it is our fault. God made a promise to protect the Jews, but when god didn't protect the Jews it was their fault because they did something detestable first. Abused wives apologize for their husbands this way all the time. They say "Oh, my husband is a good man and when he hits me it's my fault because I'm the one who burned dinner." Just because the man says "I'm going to hit you if you burn dinner," doesn't make the fact that he hits her when she burns the dinner ok. Nothing the Jews did FORCED god to abandon them in times of need, just as nothing a woman does ever FORCES a man to hit her.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/19/2004 03:54:00 PM  

  • 1. Free will - we have it because that which is given freely is much better than that which is coerced. Which is why, in the end, God will reunite with those that have chosen to be with God. I contend that you have a choice no matter what, and that based on the information and values that you have, you will (logically) choose something in line with what you want. Just because you know how someone is going to react does not erase the choice that they will make. You see this point differently. We'll agree to disagree.

    2. Basically, yes. While it is our choices that will carves out the paths of our lives, it doesn't mean that the path isn't already known to an omniscient God.

    3. Free will and rebellion go hand in hand - we can choose to obey, and we can choose not to obey. There have always been people in both camps. God knows that we can't keep our promises because of our very nature - but God wants us to try. That's why he provided a means to clean us of sin, and is forgiving when we truly repent.

    4. God doesn't DO "bad things." Satan does. He will, however, allow bad things to happen. Sometimes it is punishment, as he is a just God. Sometimes it is to shape character or instill discipline. It could be for a host of reasons and we wouldn't know. God punished the Jews for their unfaithfulness, but kept a remnant so that his promises could be kept. And he has kept all his promises. The only one we haven't seen is that of the stuff in the last days.

    Your abused wife metaphor doesn't fit, because an abusive husband does not love his wife with the kind of love that God intended for a marriage. Men like to spout off with the scripture part about wives submitting to their husbands, but conveniently forget about the other half of that verse about husbands loving their wives as Christ loves church.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10/22/2004 12:29:00 AM  

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